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William Saxbe's avatar

I've really enjoyed reading both sides of this discussion. It's wonderfully complex and it's such a pleasure to see both sides arguing in good faith. Personally, I'd much prefer efforts to increase birth rate in developed countries like ours to focus on quality of life (parental and child) in addition to quantity. I've seen how the strategy of women being entirely devoted to child-rearing works in impoverished countries: enormous families desperately scraping by. Fathers who never spend time with their family since they must work 24/7 to support them, and mothers who are so tied to child care they lose their personality and become a drudge. I really don't think that's a model for American success. Give me the family with a Dad cheerfully making casserole and changing diapers rather than the big family with Dad at the office till nine pm and mom popping Valium in the broom closet. I do agree with Stone on one point, however. Let's work as a society to take some of those balls out of the air that American families are forced to juggle!

(disclaimer... Darby is my sister so I may have an unfairly biased viewpoint, and I, as a Dad to some healthy American kids, LOVE to make them garlic bread and lasagna dinners.)

Ann Ledbetter's avatar

I also respect Lyman but hate how he blithely answers "nope, that's not it" with so much certainty when reasons for low birth rates are proposed. Low birth rates are clearly a multi-factorial problem, and the factors likely interact! Like when someone (was it you?) proposed kids from larger families likely have larger families. Seems like a totally plausible piece of the puzzle, but he was like "nope, not supported by evidence." Would love to see researchers stop studying any one factor in isolation because this is not how the real world works. For example, I had a third kid both because I was married to a kind, supportive husband who does 100% of meal planning and cooking, and because I'm from a large Catholic family with a tendency for larger families, and because I could afford it, and because my first two births were vaginal so it felt safer. 🤷‍♀️ No one of these factors explains my choice but the combination of them made a difference.

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